In my process of listening to random old tapes recorded off of WIDR from 10 years ago (including So This Is Outer Space!) I found a recording of a band on the Real Live Stir Fry who I believe was called Intermission? Or something close. I only got a tiny bit between two songs. It was a heavier band with a really awesome female singer. Just curious!
D'OH! I must not have caught that stuff. NOT SO FUNNY! Yeah, taking the piss is one thing, flat-out meanness is inexcusable. meow meow!
By the way, I include myself in the "took itself too seriously" comment, even as a adjunct-only part of "the scene". Sometimes I find some of my old stuff for the Gazette and just.....blush. Aye-yi-yi! Opinionated much, soap boxy?!
In response to: rit on 03-30-08 for everything
but i still think you and Scott are the cat's meow, Amy.....
In response to: rit on 03-30-08 for everything
the troll chit was high-larious up until the comments about Bill's hand and calling out the ladies by name went down....sorry, i found that to be stale, underscored by the fact that the sackless wonder did so hidden behind a psydenom......
In response to: amysult on 03-30-08 for everything
I heard about the troll-ing going on and I had to come check it out. I have no idea who it is, but i have to admit, I laughed out loud. "Takes me back to my forties." Come on. Admit it, that's pretty hilarious. Remember, one problem with the Kalamazoo scene of the 90's was its tendency to take itself waaaaaaay too seriously. --- end of previous message --- --- end of previous message --- --- end of previous message ---
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Well that's a fine howdoyoudo! In response to: Tricia Chappell on 05-09-08 for Fletcher
I used to make snacks for the Fletcher boys when they would practice in the Douglas St. house basement. I would make like ramen noodles on toast, potatoes w/ carl budding corn beef sandwich slices, sandwich cookies dipped in jello, that sort of fare. It really fueled the boys on & I feel somewhat responsible for their success. --- end of previous message ---
Posted by: Tricia Chappell on 05-09-08 about Fletcher
I used to make snacks for the Fletcher boys when they would practice in the Douglas St. house basement. I would make like ramen noodles on toast, potatoes w/ carl budding corn beef sandwich slices, sandwich cookies dipped in jello, that sort of fare. It really fueled the boys on & I feel somewhat responsible for their success.
4p's "Surrender" and "Mountain Song" covers deserve a note, if for no other reason that Dave's shrieking scream in the "MS" chorus that would later make a stolen career for that chick from Otep...and, of course, it's Cheap Trick. Also their "Ironfist," played at roughly the speed of light. You wouldn't think the melodic proto-grunge contingent of the k'zoo underground would be the guys to out-speed Motorhead on their own tune, but they did.
(Self-indulgent and over-opinionated sidebar/history lesson: Hoekstra was actually the first person I ever heard refer to a band as 'Grungy,' in reference to Cowboys from Hell...probably a year before the words "grunge" and "alternative" became trendy catchalls. I miss Dave. Dude had a depth of musical knowledge that I think a lot of people never quite realized, in spite of that wall o' vinyl he kept at the house on park street. Dustin turned me on to a lot of cool drum shit over the years and taught me a lot about how to listen to - and later create - the kind of percussive subtleties and gracenotes that you never quite hear but can totally make a song. Nobody would notice it if I didn't cop to it, but there's a poppy ride cymbal triplet pattern on one of the Actors tunes that was directly descended from the pattern in 'Chalice,' at least to the point that's what was in my head when I wrote it. Dave turned me on to damn near everything else between 89 and 92. First time I ever heard Pantera, Nirvana, Janes, Soul Asylum, Mudhoney, Mother Love Bone, Soundgarden...all Hoekstra's doing, and I'm not kidding even a little bit when I say it changed my life every bit as much if not more than Dustin's throwing everything from VH's "Outta Love Again" to FNM's "Zombie Eaters" at me changed the way I play. To this day, I don't care what *anybody* says, Temple of the Dog is the greatest musical experience ever shoveled on to one piece of plastic...and if it hadn't been for Hoekstra, I probably wouldn't have heard it until a year later when MTV got hold of 'Hunger Strike.')
One-offs: Bat's almost-solo rendition of "I Would For You" at a X's show at Soda, just because a) nobody had the slightest clue that the boy could sing and b) I was standing about five feet away on stage right and could literally *see* him shaking with nerves...and he did a real decent job of it.
Special mention because it was MY FUCKIN IDEA: The 'Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald' cover that Suiciety got a line in Spin for. (You can throw stuff if you want, but I *still* like that song and still think it would make a really great cover if you dumped fifty gallons of distortion in it and dialed Lightfoot's nose down into a more Vedder-esque hum on the vocal.) Ironically, I'd totalled my car and dropped off the scene by that point, but I did manage to catch it during the five minutes new Missias' was open.
Didn't 4p+X's Rob cover 'Hunger Strike' once, long before it hit MTV? Or maybe it was X's + Hoekstra...seems like I heard this happened, but didn't see it happen. Hope it didn't suck, I think Dave would have nailed the Vedder part, but I don't really remember if Rob had the pipes for a quality Cornell impersonation.
I blew this. The correct answer is: It means their name was really "FA" after that and they were just fooling us.
Or maybe they were just out of line (dequeued)?
In response to: Jeff on 05-06-08 for all
What's "DQ'ed"? Does it mean "dairy queened"?, as in Chonk got dairy queened? At first I thought it sounded yummy, but now I think it might be something sexual...
We'll post The Actors no questions asked. Quality nor intent has ever been posting criteria before. --- end of previous message ---
lol disqualified. Since consulting with my parentals, whose brains have almost as many holes in them as mine does, it seems I may be mistaken on that point; I'm hearing now that they came in second or third. My mom's convinced we won and the Sounds of Silence freshmen came in second, FA-Q (she calls 'em "fah kyew") third. Maybe it was the other band that didn't place, who knows? Chonk might, but Halsey won't - he wasn't in the band yet then.
I'll get a link up to Actors stuff in a day or so - don't worry about hosting it, I need an excuse to start delving into my musical past on my own site anyway, this is as good as any. I'd get it up (there's that secks agin) faster, but I've got a client with an active contract who has been gettin slacked on these last couple of days.
There was a 4th band on the bill as well I think - maybe even a fifth - but I couldn't tell you their names.
Hey, it's Tuesday. In some alternate universe, the Verve Pipe is playing Harvey's tonight...
In response to: Jeff on 05-06-08 for all
What's "DQ'ed"? Does it mean "dairy queened"?, as in Chonk got dairy queened? At first I thought it sounded yummy, but now I think it might be something sexual...
We'll post The Actors no questions asked. Quality nor intent has ever been posting criteria before. --- end of previous message ---
What's "DQ'ed"? Does it mean "dairy queened"?, as in Chonk got dairy queened? At first I thought it sounded yummy, but now I think it might be something sexual...
We'll post The Actors no questions asked. Quality nor intent has ever been posting criteria before.
I wanna hear Actors demos way more than "The Freshman" any day - simply not enough Turtles influence on the LT crowd back in the day. Michael Maltese freaked Flo and Eddie out by bringing a White Whale You Baby reel-to-reel to a Turtles show in Portage a few years back. Ronnie Sinatra asked 'em if they wanted to come out for drinks with us, and, well, "We Ain't Gonna Party No More" wasn't sung in response but it should've been.
But I digress - Actors demos - please post! Athens forever!
... a ridiculously poppy thing called "Some Kind Of Something" that got some airplay and sounded way too much like "Happy Together" by the Turtles but got some airplay.
Noooo. Totally different person. Guess it's bio time...
Dan *did* play drums for 4P. I played drums all over the place, but most of the bands I was in that anyone would know about were pre-grunge metal/hair bands - a MEHTULL cover band based in Galesburg called "Push" and then Axis with Jason Gentry and Mike McIntosh (Jason, as I've mentioned previously, passed away a few years ago; Mike is now the lead singer for popular coverbar band Drop35. Axis opened the very first multi-local-band bill, before there was a Lollapalooza let alone a kalapalooza, at the State Theatre, august 1 1987).
After that I was involved in the little godband thing that eventually became "Remnant," which was a godmetal band featuring Doug Garnett, Shawn Warne, and Dave Foxx of Obtrusive Mode/Louden (Gary Green was second guitar when I was involved).
Throughout the 80's, I was also just 'guy on the scene,' attending (and playing) a lot of basement parties (including Stosh Warner's birthday party featuring a little band from BC called Desacrator) and generally doing a lot of MEHTULL covers and a few originals, including the infamous "Looks that Kill" session with Steve Spaeth back when he was first learning to play, and later the St. A's Battle of the Bands that featured FAQ with a VERY poofy-haired Chunk getting DQd for f-bombing and I *still* can't remember 100% if we beat or came in second to Johnny with an Eye's cover of "Sounds of Silence." I went to alternative ed. in portage with JWAE vox Jim(?), who I think ended up continuing on with the VA's as they became VP. He asked me once if I wanted to join JWAE, and I turned it down...and have been kicking myself for it ever since I heard "Freshmen" on the radio the first time.
People called me Animal back then.
When I was in the godband with Garnett my gf got tight with a girl named Karen, who was Doug's betrothed at the time; she later ended up dating Dustin for quite a while. I had a daughter in 1989, which caused my removal from godband as having chilluns outside of marriage was a distinctly un-christian thing to do. Later, me mommy and baby lived on Rose street at the time, right around the corner from Dustin's apartment at dutton and burdick, the one with the smograsbroad wall - this is where Spaeth, G. Green and I recorded the original version of the weird bass-heavy offtime break/trippy thing that later made its way onto a Clockmaker tape sans the drum machine and vocal parts I recorded - and after mommy and I broke up (see my ref to Vegas Jenkins, toward whom I bear no animosity at all, but it's all relevant because that happened due to Kelly (mom) being friends with Karen who was dating Dustin who was buds with Vegas). I got wrapped up in vacillating between being daddy and being rock star, with daddy ultimately winning. Went without a kit for a couple of years - during the 4p era on westnedge and shurgard - and basically hung around, then disappeared into family life with my new GF, my kid, and her kid for a while around the same time 4P replaced Coville and became Suiciety.
I'd gone to school with Matt B (and way before that was in string orchestra with Karla W in elementary and middle school) and knew him and Greg from Worhead (actually jammed with them a couple of times on Bat's set over at Greg's house), knew Dan & Tracy from Star World days, knew pretty much everyone else in town from the same time period. Spent a lot of time with 4p as "manager" (trans: wanted to be playing but had no drums, but made a bunch of flyers at the copy shop at western and spend a lot of time driving around to and occasionally booking gigs including reptile house and the dance factory in chicago) Also booked some shows for 4P and a DC-Core band from Jackson called Sky Juice.
AFTER Suiciety broke up, I had made my way back onto the 'scene' a bit, spent some time living with Freedom Rock and Beaknose Greg at the fruit warehouse (Me and beaknose jammed with Halsey there once, I want to say? And me and Bogema and Reimer played the world's most sucktastic attempt at covering 'Stranglehold' there one drunk night as well, but mostly I did way too many drugs and drove a cab). Eventually, after 4p/Suiciety called it quits and Dave moved away, me, Matt, and Coville had a three-piece thing called Gypsy Blue that was actually quite a cool band but Matt's perfectionism kept us from ever playing out beyond having some parties at the rehearsal space (also my apartment at the time) above Stoops' furniture downtown, across MI avenue from the Whoarehouse. That eventually fell apart because of Coville's frustration with Matt for us never playing out, and Matt's frustration with me because I wasn't working at the time and he was working for Mick Stoops who was leaning on *him* about me paying rent, so blah. Around this same time, my folks moved to North Carolina and took my daughter with them since I was no longer really even able to support myself, let alone my kid, and when GB fell apart I followed them down here in August of '94.
Here in NC, I dropped my last name (DeJong) and started going by John Henry. I was in a Grateful Dead hippie band called Wax Planet for a while, and a three-piece that I actually forget the name of which was very Tool-ish, a brief stint with local heroes Jam Pain Society, and a four-peace bluesy/kinksy outfit called The Actors. The last is the only one I have music from, a rough four-track demo that had a couple of nice little rockers on it, one semi-punkish thing that I didn't like, and a ridiculously poppy thing called "Some Kind Of Something" that got some airplay and sounded way too much like "Happy Together" by the Turtles but got some airplay. That ended in 2002 when the bass player became convinced that aliens from mars were "fucking with his head" and I was controlling them (no kidding - he went in to a local psych hospital a few weeks after I quit for a voluntary eval and they refused to let him leave), and I ended up selling my kit to try and avoid moving back home with the rentals. It didn't work, and I've been kitless, bandless, and basically cashless ever since, as I was busy trying to be a rock star when I should have been busy trying to get an education.
These days I run an independent web design/IT consultancy making not nearly as much as I'd like. Still a musician at heart and fully intend to get back into instruments when I can afford it, but am long long past the whole 'living in a van' thing. Oh, and I spent a couple of years as a ring announcer/manager in local indy pro-wrestling outfits including OMEGA which (if you follow that silly-assed business) spawned the Hardys, Hurricane Helms, Shannon Moore, Joey Mercury, Joey Abs, and a few other ridiculous caricatures of masculinity that you can see on RAW every monday night. Having seen that the inside of that business was a really ugly place, and being highly pain-averse, I decided not to try and follow them to fame and fortune.
I've got some MP3's of The Actors, but they're really nowhere near the level of cool that Kalamazoo was pumping out, and probably not worth posting in the context of the MI scene.
My personal sites at www.lowgenius.net and has a few things on it now (in the middle of redesign); my business site is at lowgenius.com and is almost completely offline at the moment because I'm building a content management system for my clients to use so they don't have to e-mail me to find out how their projects are progressing. (In the middle of being an animal, I've also been a computer geek going back to the days of the TRS-80; I started getting back into database and eventually web development around 1995.) I've got no photos up and really nothing musical related, but will eventually, and would like to eventually get back to kalamazoo and plug back in to everything...maybe a decade and a half of growing up has tempered my ego and allowed enough water to pass under the bridge that I could help some folks somehow, or something, but who knows. Just taking it day by day right now, doing the best I can.
That's my little story, "who I am." Eventually I'll get some pictures up or something, but all my audio tape and pics and video from the good old bad old days is long-lost. I pretty well cut ties with everyone when I moved...the last show I saw in Michigan was the way-packed jesus lizard gig in 95 and I haven't set foot in Kalamazoo or talked to anyone from there other than via these boards and my high school reunion site since 2000. Karen moved to Detroit; my daughter's mom got married; you know what happened to Dustin, Matt, Dan, Karla, et. al.
Thanks for a great site that brings back some great memories.
Posted by: John Henry on 05-04-08 about contribute info
If anyone's interested, I've got 6 mp3 tracks here from SF band "Trichotic," which was J. Gentry's last gig before he went to jam with Jimi a couple of years ago. Doesn't quite fit, and no idea how you'd get permission to post 'em, but I have 'em if you want.
I tried to track down my liverbox shirt and get a picture of me in it (maybe someone will remember who the hell I am, but they still won't care...), but I can't find it right now. However, here's a lil treat for ya:
http://www.lowgenius.net/images/4pti.jpg
Sorry about the poor quality - it's a photocopy on red paper :P. I can't remember who did this one - might have been Dustin, or Amy (the girl Dave H. was dating).
I had the FourPeace/Tongue demo on tape, but I think the particles fell off about ten years ago. I've also got what I *think* is the only videotape in existence of Gypsy Blue, the three-piece thing me, Bogema, and Coville did post-Suiciety. I'll see if I can track it down, but the last time I saw it was about 7 years ago. If I can find it and it's got enough life in it to digitize, I'll do so.
And as bitter as my memories of Kalamazoo sometimes are, let me know if you need any space to store/serve this stuff.
Thanks again for a bittersweet set of trips down memory lane. If you can track down Matt Bogema, he'll have the 4P/Suiciety stuff somewhere. If he doesn't, Jimmy Black will (Coldwater or something last I heard). Riemer might have the Tongue stuff.
Posted by: John Henry on 05-04-08 about Thought Industry
One Hundred Eleven Million Zebras Dead. It's how Dustin's old Desecrator drumset was made, straight from the horse's mouth about 20 million years ago...
-jh
In response to: what? on 10-28-07 for Thought Industry
after 15 years of not knowing, what does 111mzd mean?
Posted by: John Henry on 05-04-08 about How Jeff remembers it
Another odd little vacation into the past...FP got undersold. I dumped my daughter's mom when she took off on my 19th birthday to bang Steve Jenkins over at Dustins little basement on Alcott. Hoping to make it up for the PHNS '88 20th in august (we finally found Karla).
A bunch of us must have boogied about the same time - I left in August of '94. First un-Kalapalooza was in '87 and the only one of the 'scene' bands that made it was TI, if I remember right.
That band with Doug Garnett and Shawn Warne that wanted to be Queensrhyche headlined with some outfit from Chicago; I borrowed Dave Fox's in the opening act with 'Axis,' which was me, Jason Gentry (RIP, j-bird), and Mikey MacIntosh playing one of those goofy Rail basses that Washburn was making.
I always dug FP the mostest - they had that weird kind of PJ vibe going on, really INTO what they were doing. Then they broke up and did the Suiciety thing for a while, then THEY broke up and Dave Hoekstra moved to Florida to be a chef. Me 'n Bogema and Coville did a kind of Janes-ish-meets-gin-blossoms things called Gypsy Blue that everyone was waiting to happen and never did, but we had some great great parties in the apartment above Stoops'...John Reimer told me there I reminded him of Stephen Perkins, best compliment I ever got...
...but honestly, what killed it was the cliquishness. Lots of fond memories, but also lots of memories of an ongoing circle-jerk where everybody was so busy patting each other on the back over how great they were that they didn't notice nobody else was really noticing. That's why ol' Johnny and his Eye ended up getting national (still remember beating them, or ocming in second, don't even remember now, in a Battle of the Bands at St.A's doing nothing but VH/Priest/Maiden covers) while some really great folks like Garnett, Gary Green, Spaeth, Warne, Dan Jaeger, Bogema, Matt Rapczynski, Dave Batey, Scott Vickery, MacIntosh, Hoekstra, Spider Krause (I remember her blowing me out of the water around the same time as the State gig because she was the only other available musician in town who could keep time for 'Diary of a Madman'...and she could play it on a *keyboard* of all things), Jason Gentry, John Reimer, Adam...Berg? Can't remember his last name, guy that played drums for Tongue and I think God Bullies...and a couple hundred other folks got bored, burned out, left town, OD'd, or just plain grew up and moved on.
Too much ego and clannishness, not enough real mutual support. If you weren't doing punk or art-metal, you got ignored...or at best, used and then ignored (those 'square pegs' sure packed a lotta folks in for beer and tunes every night running for a while on westnedge, hm?). Damn shame...so much talent went to waste because people were so convinced that our small pond was the next big splash, and if you didn't have your lips firmly affixed to the mudhole of the big fish, you weren't squat. Everybody talking each other up to their faces, and down to their backs. When the best we could collectively manage was Chris Altman running an after-hours club in an abandoned warehouse, I knew it was heading toward over even though I was living there.
Bygones and all that, and lord knows I was just as convinced as everyone else of my terminal coolness and entitlement to fame and fortune. Never got it, neither did anyone else. Except Johnny and his Eye. Seeing them open for KISS in Greensboro was simultaneously the proudest and most depressed I've ever been of my home town.
Marci was a sweetheart, though. And for all the crap people talked about me behind my back and thought I didn't know it, I still love and miss each and every one of you guys, and gals.
Too bad I don't have a kit anymore...it'd be fun to do it all again, but smarter this time, without getting distracted by pussy and blow every five minutes.
Would make a great penelope spheris movie though. And I still have my Liverbox t-shirt in red/white/green and a poster for the FP/TI show at the westnedge house...when Enzio was so new to the band that there's a big questionmark for his face.
Hope there's still a little of that fire around someplace. Be a damn shame if we all ended up like me.
Depression was Smelly, was Battle Creek and did put out a pecker tracks 7" which I do in fact own and will convert if I can ever find a needle for my record player.
I think Kevin and Mike abscounded the "depression" name from a larger Battle Creek heritage, and I do believe Pecker Tracks was part of that rich heritage, although I've yet to HEAR a Pecker Track track (almost sounds zen: "you've achieved depression when you can hear the Pecker track").
Anyways, in hindsight, I think we would have been better served going with "Swollen Lip", or perhaps eshewing the obligation of a label name altogether, since it couldn't make a lick of difference in the world.
BTW, my new records are coming out on the "Leonstemple" label, just like Black Rabbit did. Why? Best hookers at the release parties...
In response to: tony party on 04-30-08 for screwtape
I thought that Depression records was run by the Boom & the Legion of Doom guy...Smelly smoethin'
didn't they put out a Pecker Tracks record too? --- end of previous message ---
What part of that is funny or dubious sounding? The Screwtape part or the record label part? Or the Kevin Oberlin part? The exclusion of Mr. Mead? Fill me in.. In response to: Michael J on 04-30-08 for screwtape
Screwtape released on Kevin Oberlin's Depression Records?
I have a picture of
Geoff and Paul Richardson in their undies that I would like to forward to either of them.. If someone could contact me, that would be great.
I don't see a place here to upload stuff. Thanks-
Posted by: butterer@billions on 04-24-08 about Feedbag
OMG...this makes my week, people! Classic live Feedbag MP3s? You've gotta be kiddin' me!! Brilliant! I was a "satellite" member of Feedbag, so to speak...played that lovely keyboard line @ the Spork Club Soda show (Lordy, lord...makes me cringe to hear it now).
Posted by: Beth Spencer on 04-21-08 about everything
In my process of listening to random old tapes recorded off of WIDR from 10 years ago (including So This Is Outer Space!) I found a recording of a band on the Real Live Stir Fry who I believe was called Intermission? Or something close. I only got a tiny bit between two songs. It was a heavier band with a really awesome female singer. Just curious!
Posted by: Snasnick Fikpee,the homunculus on 04-21-08 about So This is Outerspace
Beth---
What I am trying to get is the recording that So This Is Outerspace did on WFMU (yes, in New Jersey) in late 1998 or early 1999. It was about 7-8 songs with Bryan Charles, Paul Bayer on bass, and Aaron Pagdon on drums.
I have emailed Pat Duncan at WFMU and he is trying to dig it up. I will post it here if I can get my hands on it. The recording quality was excellent, if I remember.
In response to: Beth Spencer on 04-20-08 for So This is Outerspace
You know what is awesome? Having a page from a zine you made when you were a "little girl" PDFed for eternity at Leon's Temple. Ugh.
I actually have a few recordings of STIOS that my boyfriend is hoping to eventually turn into MP3s, including a cover of "Yes I Do" on the Real Live Stir Fry, and Bryan Charles solo on The Real Live Stir Fry, and also their demo. Snasnick, these were on WIDR... might be what you are looking for but maybe not because WFMU is in like New Jersey according to a quick google search. --- end of previous message ---
Posted by: Beth Spencer on 04-20-08 about So This is Outerspace
You know what is awesome? Having a page from a zine you made when you were a "little girl" PDFed for eternity at Leon's Temple. Ugh.
I actually have a few recordings of STIOS that my boyfriend is hoping to eventually turn into MP3s, including a cover of "Yes I Do" on the Real Live Stir Fry, and Bryan Charles solo on The Real Live Stir Fry, and also their demo. Snasnick, these were on WIDR... might be what you are looking for but maybe not because WFMU is in like New Jersey according to a quick google search.
Posted by: Brian K on 04-17-08 about So This is Outerspace
Yeah, I have a copy, but the drumming is pretty sub-par. I believe the douche responsible is in some hack band called "Federale"
In response to: Snasnick Fikpee, the homunculus. on 04-15-08 for So This is Outerspace
Does anyone have a copy of the So This Is Outerspace session recorded live on WFMU circa 1999? The lineup was Brian Charles, Paul Bayer, and Aaron Pagdon. I believe it was quite good. --- end of previous message ---
Posted by: Snasnick Fikpee, the homunculus. on 04-15-08 about So This is Outerspace
Does anyone have a copy of the So This Is Outerspace session recorded live on WFMU circa 1999? The lineup was Brian Charles, Paul Bayer, and Aaron Pagdon. I believe it was quite good.
There was a second guitarist, name of Poach, if memory serves. I played bass with these guys for a while at the begining, before recording and all that. Road I and Poach were cool guys,and the songs were well constructed, but I only kept showing up cause of Ron (this, along with my sub-par abilities and bass guitar that was wired to constantly feedback got me the boot). But, Bad Ronald was seriously fun to play with. He always delivered metronome performances with great feel and his accents and fills seemed effortless. Great to hear these tracks again - thanks!
Posted by: JPiz on 04-12-08 about So This is Outerspace
I had Mr. Charles as a substitute teacher in school for awhile and he endlessly tormented me. Also he seemed to enjoy slapping Hum stickers on my locker. Not to mention telling me I didn't listen to enough OK Computer.
Posted by: Bryan Charles on 04-10-08 about So This is Outerspace
That's Dan Buettner on bass. Dan played in Ordination of Aaron and Broken Hearts Are Blue before STIOS. I remember 98 being a weird time for me in Kalamazoo, a lot of my friends had moved away and old favorite bands had broken up. I was feeling a little left behind and threatened by some of the new players, so out of early 20s defensiveness and confusion wrote that line on the flyer about the "dead scene." Not much else to say except I like all the songs we recorded. Koskuc, send Jeff more.
I saw mike playing classical acoustic at a steak house in kzoo last fall. he was pretty amazing. He was playing through a pedal and looped the rhythm parts so he could layer the lead part over it. He was wearing some big ass high tops. Scott and Tim were there.
I also saw Dave Grant there that night. he wasn't playing. He was wearing an Interpol shirt.
In response to: collin on 04-06-08 for Lo-Fi Scorpio
anyone know what these fellows are doing these days?
i'll put a selection of mp3s on the interweb and forward the urls to jt later this evening. just made some fresh LAME V0 rips, just gotta finish tagging em.
~u1oo
In response to: Master on 03-27-08 for Snorkel
Yup, that's some shitty coding alright...
Actually, its some bad downloading. I can't get any of the other songs to download... I've tried Firefox and Safari, and then IE on my Vista computer. Can someone, maybe even a Snorkel guy, send me the MP3's at cool @ leons temple . com? I'll post them.
In the interim, you can listen to the songs at their myspace page: HERE
In response to: Mike K on 03-27-08 for Snokel
one song, newone.mp3 is the only one that plays and the rest is no good... nothing...
rock on, snorkel!!! --- end of previous message --- --- end of previous message ---
AWESOME!!! Looking forward to the show!!! last show i saw snorkel was their last show at club soda with that dude who used to play for Godbullies. ( the last guitarist before they broke up...) man, i am old!! har har har but gotta keep rocking!!!
In response to: Gloria -- An old K'zoo music fan on 03-20-08 for all
Hey, anybody have any updates on the Bremens or Vegetable Soul? Harvey's was such a(drunken) blast back in the day. Oh, and thanks for the C. Bryers update. His tracks on MySpace are so sweet, kinda like Coldplay but way more intense! See ya. --- end of previous message ---
The Bremens: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=150442526
Amy, you are an unimpeachable peach...my gaffs are legendary embarrasments....anyways, i think Jeffro deleted a lot of the truly tastelest barbs....such as implying that Bryan Charles has throat cancer...i don't know if that's supposed to be somekinda inside joke, but from my perspective it just seemed like the archetypal troll hating on somebody of exceptional talent and accomplisment...so i guess that was realy the first thing that made me "engage"....anywhooo, i don't mean to be a sanctimonious prole either, talkin' smack is one of my many guilty pleasures....
D'OH! I must not have caught that stuff. NOT SO FUNNY! Yeah, taking the piss is one thing, flat-out meanness is inexcusable. meow meow!
By the way, I include myself in the "took itself too seriously" comment, even as a adjunct-only part of "the scene". Sometimes I find some of my old stuff for the Gazette and just.....blush. Aye-yi-yi! Opinionated much, soap boxy?!
In response to: rit on 03-30-08 for everything
but i still think you and Scott are the cat's meow, Amy.....
In response to: rit on 03-30-08 for everything
the troll chit was high-larious up until the comments about Bill's hand and calling out the ladies by name went down....sorry, i found that to be stale, underscored by the fact that the sackless wonder did so hidden behind a psydenom......
In response to: amysult on 03-30-08 for everything
I heard about the troll-ing going on and I had to come check it out. I have no idea who it is, but i have to admit, I laughed out loud. "Takes me back to my forties." Come on. Admit it, that's pretty hilarious. Remember, one problem with the Kalamazoo scene of the 90's was its tendency to take itself waaaaaaay too seriously. --- end of previous message --- --- end of previous message --- --- end of previous message ---
but i still think you and Scott are the cat's meow, Amy.....
In response to: rit on 03-30-08 for everything
the troll chit was high-larious up until the comments about Bill's hand and calling out the ladies by name went down....sorry, i found that to be stale, underscored by the fact that the sackless wonder did so hidden behind a psydenom......
In response to: amysult on 03-30-08 for everything
I heard about the troll-ing going on and I had to come check it out. I have no idea who it is, but i have to admit, I laughed out loud. "Takes me back to my forties." Come on. Admit it, that's pretty hilarious. Remember, one problem with the Kalamazoo scene of the 90's was its tendency to take itself waaaaaaay too seriously. --- end of previous message --- --- end of previous message ---
the troll chit was high-larious up until the comments about Bill's hand and calling out the ladies by name went down....sorry, i found that to be stale, underscored by the fact that the sackless wonder did so hidden behind a psydenom......
In response to: amysult on 03-30-08 for everything
I heard about the troll-ing going on and I had to come check it out. I have no idea who it is, but i have to admit, I laughed out loud. "Takes me back to my forties." Come on. Admit it, that's pretty hilarious. Remember, one problem with the Kalamazoo scene of the 90's was its tendency to take itself waaaaaaay too seriously. --- end of previous message ---
I heard about the troll-ing going on and I had to come check it out. I have no idea who it is, but i have to admit, I laughed out loud. "Takes me back to my forties." Come on. Admit it, that's pretty hilarious. Remember, one problem with the Kalamazoo scene of the 90's was its tendency to take itself waaaaaaay too seriously.
Actually, its some bad downloading. I can't get any of the other songs to download... I've tried Firefox and Safari, and then IE on my Vista computer. Can someone, maybe even a Snorkel guy, send me the MP3's at cool @ leons temple . com? I'll post them.
In the interim, you can listen to the songs at their myspace page: HERE
In response to: Mike K on 03-27-08 for Snokel
one song, newone.mp3 is the only one that plays and the rest is no good... nothing...
rock on, snorkel!!! --- end of previous message ---
sorry...i dont have them....mark does...email at the myspace page...
In response to: Master on 03-26-08 for all
Paul, Resin Mattress was supposed to be this week but I can't get to the MP3s. Can you send them to cool @ leons temple . com please? --- end of previous message ---
ahhh....yes....snorkel....i lived with the boys on minor street in the bands infancy.....sam b heard that i was starting resin mattress and was amazingly jealous....he picked my brain for hours about starting a rock band....it just came naturally for resin mattress...so they started snorkel....god were they awful...they practiced every fucking friday...i'd come home from class and be itching to get some serious studying done....but no...snorkel was in the basement hacking away at their "songs"....i would go downstairs and give them pointers on how to structure a song....told them they should really concentrate on perversion as a subject matter....duct tape the drum set back together and fend off robin at the door for them....blaine shaved his crotch at one of the practices....that was pretty cool....apparently they got good at some point...cause they had the balls to turn down sub pop for a 7"...
TI --watched em practice more then once...completely amazing...
Bone China -- please
Black Spring -- dicks living room show was an amzing introduction of things to the wah wah...rock god....and rit....even though i hate to admit it....was rock solid....rock
Fletcher -- coming around to this band
Doxie -- cute
Genius Hired Guns -- uh
Rollinghead -- good hair and one of the guitar players still flaps andrechts
FAQ -- had their first tape in high school...great tape....
King Tammy -- those guys were clever and could back up their clever nature with quality song writing....
Overman -- coming around
The Sinatras -- nice guys and their songs warm my cackles
Trocar -- who?
Quixote -- great drummer and joel tried his best to make a scene....wait a second....think about the number of bands that you wouldnt have seen if he hadnt spearheaded the scene...scene....seen...he does look weird without glasses though....he had a huge sally jessee rapheal complex....
Dave, that is an insipid comparison to the Trees...you are a universe onto yrself and the fact that you aren't living off of royalties makes me loath eternity....
i think we are going to have to sentence the troll to spending a year as an apprentice mombler....
In response to: Dave Grant on 03-20-08 for everything
Rit is right. Why don't we have a beer and talk about old times Johnny from Battle Creek. Although I like the Screaming Trees, I never listened to them until well after our first couple albums. If we ripped off anybody, it wasn't them.
Posted by: Dave Grant on 03-20-08 about everything
Rit is right. Why don't we have a beer and talk about old times Johnny from Battle Creek. Although I like the Screaming Trees, I never listened to them until well after our first couple albums. If we ripped off anybody, it wasn't them.
Posted by: rit on 03-20-08 about Harveys the Movie
huh, imagine that...i'll reserve judgement but one of those sure is suspect...
....not to muthafuckin' kewl n' tha gang whoever it be....
thanks, Jeff...
and uh, fuck you, troll...droppin' peeps names can carry serious consequences for those of us who have to wurk real gigs, not to mention right to privacy, bitchboi......
In response to: Jeff on 03-20-08 for Harveys the Movie
And goodness, why pick on poor Shirley?
The very first TI board was ruined by people pretending to be others.
The Leppotone site makes you get approved , sign in, and everything. In fact, I've been waiting for months to be approved myself (no word yet). --- end of previous message ---
I like looking at the context clues of our mystery troll. I don't think it's Jar, why would he highlight Matt Gross or Erin Dwight? Not from Battle Creek either.
Who was the guy that Dustin sucker-punched in front of Club Soda after TI's first tour?
Posted by: Gloria -- An old K'zoo music fan on 03-20-08 about all
Hey, anybody have any updates on the Bremens or Vegetable Soul? Harvey's was such a(drunken) blast back in the day. Oh, and thanks for the C. Bryers update. His tracks on MySpace are so sweet, kinda like Coldplay but way more intense! See ya.
You're just jealous because chicks didn't dig the Spring.
In response to: rit on 03-20-08 for all
and one more thang....callin' out ladies by name be some real school teacher during summer vacation buuuuuulllllshits......
In response to: rit on 03-20-08 for all
all i'm sayin' is if somebody wanna talk shit then don't be a bitchboi... sack up ...post yr real name...otherwise STFU --- end of previous message --- --- end of previous message ---
and one more thang....callin' out ladies by name be some real school teacher during summer vacation buuuuuulllllshits......
In response to: rit on 03-20-08 for all
all i'm sayin' is if somebody wanna talk shit then don't be a bitchboi... sack up ...post yr real name...otherwise STFU --- end of previous message ---
all i'm sayin' is if somebody wanna talk shit then don't be a bitchboi... sack up ...post yr real name...otherwise STFU --- end of previous message ---
true to Battle Crick form (the azzhole of SW MI), this mouthbreathing, knuckledragging, half-steppin', h8rfaced, azzhammer of a troglodyte couldn't even muster enough neurons to utter one word with more than two syllables in his simian droolings he surely prides as cutting repartee...thanks for weighing in, punior.....
In response to: Battle Creek Johnny on 03-19-08 for all
Time to look back:
Twitch -- didn't age so well. guitar is WEAK.
TI -- sucked then, sucks now.
Bone China -- please
Black Spring -- some coffins should never be opened
Fletcher -- stuff recorded at WMU always sounded like crap. plus, the singer has throat cancer, no?
Doxie -- fag music
Genius Hired Guns -- see TI
Rollinghead -- not bad for for dudes ripping off a screaming trees rip-off
FAQ -- no comment
King Tammy -- these guys thought they were so clever.
Overman -- it's over man.
The Sinatras -- nice guys, but...
Trocar -- who?
Quixote -- Joel Dick
Table -- saucey jack were better --- end of previous message ---
I actually lived down the hall from Nick when Catharsis formed (1985). What great music. Mike Rosenbaum gave me the original master tape of this album and I re-mastered it and made a few cd's for people associated with the project. Years later I was very fortunate to be in a great band with Mike Yount, Lot. I know others have said it but Mike was an incredible drummer. And besides that he was a great guy.
Hey fellow Leon's Temple members. DJ Irreversible here of "The Sound & Fury of Kalamazoo." The vintage show was fun as hell. The setlist from the show is on my MySpace: www.myspace.com/soundandfuryofkalamazoo
The download should be there as well.
One time after we played @ Harvey’s with this NYC band called Saturn 9 ended up staying at my place. Paul W asked me if I could drive him to a friends house because he had to drop off some money. Me and Saturn 9 sat in the Fletcher van foran hour (3:30 am-ish) waiting for Paul to come back so we could all go to sleep. I was giddy from just playing a tremendous rock show and kept our visiting friends distracted with early AM wit and charm. Paul came back to van in a daze. I was so fucking green.
One time after we played @ Harvey’s with this NYC band called Saturn 9 ended up staying at my place. Paul W asked me if I could drive him to a friends house because he had to drop off some money. Me and Saturn 9 sat in the Fletcher van foran hour (3:30 am-ish) waiting for Paul to come back so we could all go to sleep. I was giddy from just playing a tremendous rock show and kept our visiting friends distracted with early AM wit and charm. Paul came back to van in a daze. I was so fucking green.
Posted by: Mike Roche on 03-09-08 about Wright and Roche
I "marinated it in a plastic bag." Arrf.
Let's see... There are a few guitars on the chorus. A couple of normal guys and the melody/picky chord guy. There's a little delay and a $30 Danelectro "Pepperoni" Phaser pedal on the melody guy - that may be what you're referring to.
I recorded the guitars with an older (Tweed) Carvin VT 50 head and a 4x10 cab that my friend Mark let me borrow. That amp sounded great w/ my PRS. You could hear ALL of the notes in the chords instead of 2 out of 6. I wanted to buy one after using it, but they don't make them anymore. Nope, not a gear nerd - I just remember the set-up because I liked it so much.
Thanks for the kind words Geoffrey.
In response to: geoffrey on 03-08-08 for Wright and Roche
hey mike roche - how you make you guitar sound like that (lazy astronaut chorus section)?
good job, very nice all around. --- end of previous message ---
Good to hear .. I'm not sure if my brother, Ed, knew Kerry well or not, but we both spent a lot of time hanging out with Jason and others from that area .. if you should happen to run across them, say hey from Ed and Eric Blade, if you would.. and flip them my email, blade.eric@gmail.com
Unfortunatly, I'm out on the east side of the state these days, and have no transportation to get back to the home area :(
In response to: Joby (The Occasional Master) on 03-05-08 for Desacrator
Kerry is doing great . . .
Hw owns and works at BC Sound which is inside the old calledines building on Michigan ave in Battle creek
In response to: Eric on 03-05-08 for Desacrator
I don't imagine anyone knows about whatever happened to Kerry Johnson, and/or his family?
My brother and I were friends with his brother, Jason, and we'd love to touch base with him and all the other people we used to hang with back in the late 80's/early 90's out there..
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Posted by: Joby (The Occasional Master) on 03-05-08 about Desacrator
Kerry is doing great . . .
Hw owns and works at BC Sound which is inside the old calledines building on Michigan ave in Battle creek
In response to: Eric on 03-05-08 for Desacrator
I don't imagine anyone knows about whatever happened to Kerry Johnson, and/or his family?
My brother and I were friends with his brother, Jason, and we'd love to touch base with him and all the other people we used to hang with back in the late 80's/early 90's out there..
I don't imagine anyone knows about whatever happened to Kerry Johnson, and/or his family?
My brother and I were friends with his brother, Jason, and we'd love to touch base with him and all the other people we used to hang with back in the late 80's/early 90's out there..
I remember seeing you guys, remember? Aw who am I kiddin' we were all usually to drunk or busy giving/getting head to recall. But I do owe an enlarged penis to your workout progam!
Have y'all checked out Mike Hards latest band..The Brain Saw? Or am I just way behind? Either way, they have a website on myspace complete with animated drippy blood and a few tunes that will make you want to lock yourself in the house and festoon your living rooom with monkey guts. (while fun, I don't recommend the guts